How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

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As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

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Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

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ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

How do Flat Earthers explain time zones?

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

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ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

What is something you saw while on an airplane that you couldn't believe?

Kabir (a weaver)

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

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ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

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But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

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ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Why do some men want to remain single despite the fact that many women want to have a romantic relationship with them?

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

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ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

What's the most incredible coincidence that ever happened to you?

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

NOW…

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

CONCLUSION:

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Now here in this verse

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

I am like a fish out of water,

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

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ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

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